This substack has previously covered Desmet and Dr. Breggin’s concerns and evidence: CJ Hopkin’s below article correctly frames how Desmit’s Mass Formation theory quite literally lets the One World Government perpetrators off the hook for their Crimes Against Humanity.
Desmet definitely has some clouds hovering over him. I remember reading the part about surgery under hypnosis in his book, and should have investigated it further. And, if it is really true that he did not report a patient whom he knew to be a serial murderer on the basis that he thought he'd cured him, that's simply outrageous and unforgivable. However, I think CJ is taking some shortcuts here in his own arguments and thus presenting us with yet another Hegelian Dialectic trap.
The Mass Formation Psychosis is not new as a known phenomenon. Desmet expanded on the concept in helpful and timely ways, and particularly as it relates to psychology. However, it has manifested itself many times throughout history, including in our own time before Covid, and has been written about extensively. Consider Dutch tulips in the 16th century or contemporary North Korean society. Although not expressly named as such, Arendt had much to say about this phenomenon. To his credit, Desmet acknowledged her throughout his book. He also leaned heavily on Joost Merloo who he failed to acknowledge properly in my view.
Then, there is the matter of what many of us see with our own eyes. Have you not experienced as part of the 'new normal' this bizarre existence where 'everything is fine, life is normal, and we can talk about anything, except reality'? Have you not seen people freeze and zone out right before your eyes when you try to talk about anything that goes against the narratives and then suddenly snap back and change the subject as if you said nothing? When I've encountered this, it has certainly felt like I was witnessing something deeply psychological. Others who have had similar encounters have said the same to me. Of course, this is anecdotal and I'm no psychologist, but unless I'm mistaken, neither of us is. I simply suggest you are being bit overly dismissive of the Mass Formation Psychosis theory because of issues specific to Desmet.
The existence of a MFP and a deliberate agenda on the part of powerful people who knew and know exactly what they are doing are perfectly compatible possibilities in my view. I know when I first read Arendt's 'The Origins of Totalitarianism', I certainly felt I was following in the footsteps of our Covid-era oppressors insomuch as it seemed very clear to me that they too had studied her work very closely a long time ago.
Dear 2nd Smartest, a follow up comment to you and to CJ:
Dividing those who are united in their opposition to the tyranny and weaponizing them against one another is not a good move. It plays into Power's hands perfectly, as does the excessive ad hominem you sometimes indulge in. It makes it relatively easy for those who want to to undermine the important substance of what you are saying, thereby making those who may be reluctant but reachable less likely to hear you. Again, all this plays into Power's hands.
It's fine to call out Desmet for his issues. I certainly have no problem with that. But making that the focus or letting the merits of Mass Formation, which, as I have said is well documented by others before Desmet, live or die based on Desmet's personal credibility is a mistake. Mass Formation may well be just another tool our elites have used to pursue their heinous agendas.
Our enemies are not to our right or our left. They are united above us and pressing down hard. The real battle should be singularly focussed in that direction. Anything else is a distraction on the part of We the People, which is exactly what Power wants.
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"The greatest threat to humans today is the same one that has crushed freedom and the human spirit, and murdered untold hundreds of millions of people since the dawn of civilization. The greatest threat comes from violent bullies collaborating to dominate and exploit as huge numbers of people as possible. This threat does not arise out of people suffering from a mass psychosis but from violent, authoritarian individuals or groups that conspire to intimidate, overwhelm, and exploit the people." Dr. Peter Breggin
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I had a unique experience of traveling abroad and then having to almost immediately return to the US the week international travel was shut down days prior to the 15 day BS. This was a lockstep planned operation meant to psychologically terrorize the world. It was rolled out on a coordinated schedule with well thought out propaganda. The response by the public was a result of their purposeful actions and they have admitted they used military developed psychological tactics on the people to elicit fear and obedience. Yes a certain part of the population bought it hook line and sinker and some did not as would always be the case. Over a period of 4 days I witnessed the rollout out in multiple countries of printed propaganda, temperature sensors, armed military in airports wearing masks/gloves, and I overheard a pilot talking to another pilot confirming that was his last flight a day before the official announcement no further international flights would be allowed. When I arrived home and ran to our local small town grocery store they had set-up the wait in a line outside six feet apart BS that every store ‘suddenly’ thought of doing in lockstep along with playing communist recordings about being stronger together. Desmet is just ensuring those responsible never get any scrutiny by blaming the victims.
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God Give me Strength..Seriously?
These.moronic assholes are truly the walking dead..They aint playing movie extra parts... Im talking bout the 'Experts' as for the peeps? It can never be made sense of..too big a rabbit hole. Jst grateful to know there are true like minded Souls out here in the wilderness of NO, I wil not, I do not Consent to ANYTHING that compromises my understanding of Free Will/Choice/Divine Nature
The psychological condition IS the power. Hitler would have been harmless without the masses ... I do not see the trouble with acknowledging the human flaw of mass formation while directing anger and force for change at those who use it ...
Mass formation is nothing new ... Desmet was only articulating “popular delusions and the madness of crowds”.
This doesn’t change the phenomenon of Trauma Based Mind Control, so effectively utilized on 9/11 and other FF PsyOps to use emotional conditioning to download a control narrative that is unopposed and repeated.
It is invariably a combination of many factors. The consistent tactic on all levels is divide and conquer to maintain the chaos for later re-ordering.
‘It must be true because I saw it on TV’ has been replaced by:
‘It must be true because my Smart Phone didn’t censor it.’
Not sure why Hopkins can't seem to wrap his head around this, nor why he is so aggressive in advertising gowns why he doesn't understand it. Hopkins' description of the theory is so dishonest and wrong that I can't help but think that someone as seemingly intelligent as Hopkins has an agenda. Matthias never once suggests that the causes of mass formation are anything other than manipulations from above. And Hopkins isn't the only one in attack-dog mode regarding this. Hopkins is really damaging his reputation with this, since he either has an agenda, or he really isn't that smart.
Understanding how people en masse buy into propaganda and willingly and even zealously turn a dogged blind eye to the truth is worth psychological scrutiny. PsyOps is aware of the psychology of masses and they use that to manipulate. Nothing wrong with the masses to become educated on how this happens so they can be better aware and protect themselves and understand others. Desmet is very clear that deliberate victimization has occurred and that fear is being used to manipulate.
You can't just go around reporting patient's crimes. There is confidentiality. You are mandated to report only if you think they are about to commit murder. that is the duty to warn. A psychologist is not supposed to turn in their patients for past deeds, no matter how heinous. If they're currently engaged in child abuse, killing people, etc, then you must report.
Okay, so Desmet was morally wrong to not report his patient's crimes. And he was wrong to lie about seeing open-heart surgery with only hypnosis for anesthesia.
But I'm not willing to throw out his mass formation theory as a fraud, and here's why:
Being the type who doesn't take anyone's word for anything, I double-checked the claim that his theory lets the totalitarian leaders off the hook because they too are hypnotized and 'don't know what they're doing', or that there is no deliberate conspiracy at the top, or that 'there is no one and nothing to fight'.
I went back to Desmet's early interview with Aubrey Marcus (Jan. 2022). The above interpretations are not supportable. Specifically, Desmet's idea that the rulers are hypnotized is a more nuanced one.
In fact, he offers the best explanation I've seen so far, about how the so-called controllers can make such huge blunders in public - and everyone can see it except for them.
This is from the transcript near the end of that long interview:
"The field of attention of the person who hypnotizes is usually even narrower than the masses themselves. So that’s why the experts in this situation, they make mistakes that ordinary people wouldn’t make, and that it was very clear to me from the beginning. If you look at the statistics and the numbers that are presented through the mass media, they often are so blatantly wrong that even a child can see it. And still it is as if many of the experts do not realize it. And that’s because in one way or another, they very often are hypnotized, or their field of attention is even narrower. So we could talk for days about the leaders of the masses.
It’s very complicated because in one way or another, they are hypnotized. In another way, they often manipulate and cheat and lie to the people, and that’s because they do really believe in their ideology and the ideals they are striving for. That’s something they are usually hypnotized by.
But usually they do not believe in the narrative that they are presenting to the people. They feel that it is justified to lie to the people and to manipulate them. So you have to make a distinction there. They are hypnotized in this sense that they really believe in a megalomaniac way, that their ideology will create a kind of a paradise for humanity. But that doesn’t mean that they believe everything they are telling, because usually they know that they are manipulating the population. So it’s double, I think."
Desmet also identified a segment who go along with the narrative from fear rather than sincere belief - only he puts the number at 40%, whereas Hopkins thinks it's 66%. No real rebuttal there.
And Desmet DOES say that we (the noncompliant 30%) need to fight -- first to find others like us, and then to form a community -- in his words, the goal is to "survive outside of the system in a parallel structure and just wait until the system destroys itself."
He even predicted that the implosion of this totalitarian system would happen faster than in the past.
And since one test to validate a scientific theory is its ability to predict, I am waiting to see if he is right.
Desmet definitely has some clouds hovering over him. I remember reading the part about surgery under hypnosis in his book, and should have investigated it further. And, if it is really true that he did not report a patient whom he knew to be a serial murderer on the basis that he thought he'd cured him, that's simply outrageous and unforgivable. However, I think CJ is taking some shortcuts here in his own arguments and thus presenting us with yet another Hegelian Dialectic trap.
The Mass Formation Psychosis is not new as a known phenomenon. Desmet expanded on the concept in helpful and timely ways, and particularly as it relates to psychology. However, it has manifested itself many times throughout history, including in our own time before Covid, and has been written about extensively. Consider Dutch tulips in the 16th century or contemporary North Korean society. Although not expressly named as such, Arendt had much to say about this phenomenon. To his credit, Desmet acknowledged her throughout his book. He also leaned heavily on Joost Merloo who he failed to acknowledge properly in my view.
Then, there is the matter of what many of us see with our own eyes. Have you not experienced as part of the 'new normal' this bizarre existence where 'everything is fine, life is normal, and we can talk about anything, except reality'? Have you not seen people freeze and zone out right before your eyes when you try to talk about anything that goes against the narratives and then suddenly snap back and change the subject as if you said nothing? When I've encountered this, it has certainly felt like I was witnessing something deeply psychological. Others who have had similar encounters have said the same to me. Of course, this is anecdotal and I'm no psychologist, but unless I'm mistaken, neither of us is. I simply suggest you are being bit overly dismissive of the Mass Formation Psychosis theory because of issues specific to Desmet.
The existence of a MFP and a deliberate agenda on the part of powerful people who knew and know exactly what they are doing are perfectly compatible possibilities in my view. I know when I first read Arendt's 'The Origins of Totalitarianism', I certainly felt I was following in the footsteps of our Covid-era oppressors insomuch as it seemed very clear to me that they too had studied her work very closely a long time ago.
Dear 2nd Smartest, a follow up comment to you and to CJ:
Dividing those who are united in their opposition to the tyranny and weaponizing them against one another is not a good move. It plays into Power's hands perfectly, as does the excessive ad hominem you sometimes indulge in. It makes it relatively easy for those who want to to undermine the important substance of what you are saying, thereby making those who may be reluctant but reachable less likely to hear you. Again, all this plays into Power's hands.
It's fine to call out Desmet for his issues. I certainly have no problem with that. But making that the focus or letting the merits of Mass Formation, which, as I have said is well documented by others before Desmet, live or die based on Desmet's personal credibility is a mistake. Mass Formation may well be just another tool our elites have used to pursue their heinous agendas.
Our enemies are not to our right or our left. They are united above us and pressing down hard. The real battle should be singularly focussed in that direction. Anything else is a distraction on the part of We the People, which is exactly what Power wants.
"The greatest threat to humans today is the same one that has crushed freedom and the human spirit, and murdered untold hundreds of millions of people since the dawn of civilization. The greatest threat comes from violent bullies collaborating to dominate and exploit as huge numbers of people as possible. This threat does not arise out of people suffering from a mass psychosis but from violent, authoritarian individuals or groups that conspire to intimidate, overwhelm, and exploit the people." Dr. Peter Breggin
Malone is bad news. Beware. Breggin has a lifetime of good works, fighting the system, fighting for children.
https://www.brighteon.com/6602e8ae-fa8a-45aa-aaa3-b70a4832039f
I had a unique experience of traveling abroad and then having to almost immediately return to the US the week international travel was shut down days prior to the 15 day BS. This was a lockstep planned operation meant to psychologically terrorize the world. It was rolled out on a coordinated schedule with well thought out propaganda. The response by the public was a result of their purposeful actions and they have admitted they used military developed psychological tactics on the people to elicit fear and obedience. Yes a certain part of the population bought it hook line and sinker and some did not as would always be the case. Over a period of 4 days I witnessed the rollout out in multiple countries of printed propaganda, temperature sensors, armed military in airports wearing masks/gloves, and I overheard a pilot talking to another pilot confirming that was his last flight a day before the official announcement no further international flights would be allowed. When I arrived home and ran to our local small town grocery store they had set-up the wait in a line outside six feet apart BS that every store ‘suddenly’ thought of doing in lockstep along with playing communist recordings about being stronger together. Desmet is just ensuring those responsible never get any scrutiny by blaming the victims.
God Give me Strength..Seriously?
These.moronic assholes are truly the walking dead..They aint playing movie extra parts... Im talking bout the 'Experts' as for the peeps? It can never be made sense of..too big a rabbit hole. Jst grateful to know there are true like minded Souls out here in the wilderness of NO, I wil not, I do not Consent to ANYTHING that compromises my understanding of Free Will/Choice/Divine Nature
Critical repost. These guys are psychopaths. Maybe Malone too. See my recent interview with a psychopath whisperer here: https://robertyoho.substack.com/p/9e861054-b7f2-453d-8f22-0a10c7b6d2e6
The psychological condition IS the power. Hitler would have been harmless without the masses ... I do not see the trouble with acknowledging the human flaw of mass formation while directing anger and force for change at those who use it ...
Mass formation is nothing new ... Desmet was only articulating “popular delusions and the madness of crowds”.
This doesn’t change the phenomenon of Trauma Based Mind Control, so effectively utilized on 9/11 and other FF PsyOps to use emotional conditioning to download a control narrative that is unopposed and repeated.
It is invariably a combination of many factors. The consistent tactic on all levels is divide and conquer to maintain the chaos for later re-ordering.
‘It must be true because I saw it on TV’ has been replaced by:
‘It must be true because my Smart Phone didn’t censor it.’
Gaslighting the masses is a fine art form!
The so-called experts believe their own BS!
Not sure why Hopkins can't seem to wrap his head around this, nor why he is so aggressive in advertising gowns why he doesn't understand it. Hopkins' description of the theory is so dishonest and wrong that I can't help but think that someone as seemingly intelligent as Hopkins has an agenda. Matthias never once suggests that the causes of mass formation are anything other than manipulations from above. And Hopkins isn't the only one in attack-dog mode regarding this. Hopkins is really damaging his reputation with this, since he either has an agenda, or he really isn't that smart.
Desmet is a fad and he "discovered" nothing:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/mass-formation-is-misrepresented
At the end of my old article, I am quoting Jon Rappoport, who says just about the same as I did nearly two months before his message...
Did Mattias tell the Mass Murderer under his care that the people he Murdered was lonely and wanted killed.
Ugh
Understanding how people en masse buy into propaganda and willingly and even zealously turn a dogged blind eye to the truth is worth psychological scrutiny. PsyOps is aware of the psychology of masses and they use that to manipulate. Nothing wrong with the masses to become educated on how this happens so they can be better aware and protect themselves and understand others. Desmet is very clear that deliberate victimization has occurred and that fear is being used to manipulate.
You can't just go around reporting patient's crimes. There is confidentiality. You are mandated to report only if you think they are about to commit murder. that is the duty to warn. A psychologist is not supposed to turn in their patients for past deeds, no matter how heinous. If they're currently engaged in child abuse, killing people, etc, then you must report.
Okay, so Desmet was morally wrong to not report his patient's crimes. And he was wrong to lie about seeing open-heart surgery with only hypnosis for anesthesia.
But I'm not willing to throw out his mass formation theory as a fraud, and here's why:
Being the type who doesn't take anyone's word for anything, I double-checked the claim that his theory lets the totalitarian leaders off the hook because they too are hypnotized and 'don't know what they're doing', or that there is no deliberate conspiracy at the top, or that 'there is no one and nothing to fight'.
I went back to Desmet's early interview with Aubrey Marcus (Jan. 2022). The above interpretations are not supportable. Specifically, Desmet's idea that the rulers are hypnotized is a more nuanced one.
In fact, he offers the best explanation I've seen so far, about how the so-called controllers can make such huge blunders in public - and everyone can see it except for them.
This is from the transcript near the end of that long interview:
"The field of attention of the person who hypnotizes is usually even narrower than the masses themselves. So that’s why the experts in this situation, they make mistakes that ordinary people wouldn’t make, and that it was very clear to me from the beginning. If you look at the statistics and the numbers that are presented through the mass media, they often are so blatantly wrong that even a child can see it. And still it is as if many of the experts do not realize it. And that’s because in one way or another, they very often are hypnotized, or their field of attention is even narrower. So we could talk for days about the leaders of the masses.
It’s very complicated because in one way or another, they are hypnotized. In another way, they often manipulate and cheat and lie to the people, and that’s because they do really believe in their ideology and the ideals they are striving for. That’s something they are usually hypnotized by.
But usually they do not believe in the narrative that they are presenting to the people. They feel that it is justified to lie to the people and to manipulate them. So you have to make a distinction there. They are hypnotized in this sense that they really believe in a megalomaniac way, that their ideology will create a kind of a paradise for humanity. But that doesn’t mean that they believe everything they are telling, because usually they know that they are manipulating the population. So it’s double, I think."
Desmet also identified a segment who go along with the narrative from fear rather than sincere belief - only he puts the number at 40%, whereas Hopkins thinks it's 66%. No real rebuttal there.
And Desmet DOES say that we (the noncompliant 30%) need to fight -- first to find others like us, and then to form a community -- in his words, the goal is to "survive outside of the system in a parallel structure and just wait until the system destroys itself."
He even predicted that the implosion of this totalitarian system would happen faster than in the past.
And since one test to validate a scientific theory is its ability to predict, I am waiting to see if he is right.